Should disposable vapes be banned?

[~ True Legend ~]

Disposable vapes cause litter problems, are a fire hazard and appeal too strongly to children, according to local councils in England and Wales.

Disposable vapes: Councils call for total ban by 2024

The vapes are a hazard for bin lorries, difficult to recycle and too appealing to children, they say.

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UK Councils want them to be banned by 2024.

Benefits of disposable vapes

Quote:The UK Vaping Industry Association says they help smokers quit and can be recycled.

Quote:Councils are not against vaping altogether as they believe vapes are less harmful than tobacco and can help smokers to quit.
John Dunne, director general of the UK Vaping Industry Association, said that the “low price, accessibility and ease of use” of disposable products had helped bring UK smoking rates to an "all-time low”.

Quote:The anti-smoking charity ASH said it did not support a ban, as it would "turbo-charge" illegal sales, increasing the risk that children would be able to buy them. It favours higher taxes on disposables and stronger controls on import and sales, deputy chief executive Hazel Cheeseman said.

Quote:"The illicit market will simply fill the void with products that are unlicensed and unregulated containing substances that potentially pose a health risk."

Problems with disposable vapes

Quote:Councillor David Fothergill, chairman of the LGA’s Community Wellbeing Board, said: “Disposable vapes are fundamentally flawed in their design and inherently unsustainable products, meaning an outright ban will prove more effective than attempts to recycle more vapes.”

Quoteisposable ones also contain a small lithium battery, which can increase in temperature when crushed, causing fires in bin lorries, the Local Government Association (LGA) warns.

Quote:Councils are also worried that disposable varieties with “fruity and bubble gum flavours, and colourful child-friendly packaging” could appeal to under-age vapers, and called for restrictions on their display and marketing, similar to those used for conventional tobacco.

 

[passenger]

I still question the health hazards of vaping; even the non or low-nicotine kind. Inhaling those syrups & flavors & oils makes me wonder.
But I do definitely think vaping is not as obnoxious or offensive as cigarette smoking; however, banning them in England is not cause me to get me knickers in a knot.

 

[~ True Legend ~]

I still question the health hazards of vaping; even the non or low-nicotine kind. Inhaling those syrups & flavors & oils makes me wonder.
But I do definitely think vaping is not as obnoxious or offensive as cigarette smoking; however, banning them in England is not cause me to get me knickers in a knot.

I'm curious on your thoughts on the above points I summarised

 

[MrDawn]

A lot of things need to be banned. But I doubt this will ever be one of them due to the high demand made by it's customer base.

 

[~ True Legend ~]

A lot of things need to be banned. But I doubt this will ever be one of them due to the high demand made by it's customer base.

It just wouldn't work. Ppl would go the illegal route as the black market would get flooded.

I was having a debate with some "friends" on another forum, and I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Do you think the flood of vapes onto the black market would lead to youngsters getting into the wrong crowd and potentially even getting their hands on illegal drugs?

 

[MrDawn]

It just wouldn't work. Ppl would go the illegal route as the black market would get flooded.

You're correct. If people can't get it, they'll steal it or pay someone in China to make a counterfeit version of it and put it on the market.

Do you think the flood of vapes onto the black market would lead to youngsters getting into the wrong crowd and potentially even getting their hands on illegal drugs?

What most people fail to realize when they ask loaded questions like that is that they're not realizing that the illegal narcotics they refer to such as meth or heroin sell themselves. A lot of Teenagers don't think about the future and how hard the consequences those decisions will bring. They think in doing those drugs that it won't happen to them. They just want to get high at the party for the night only to instead become life long junkies who got hooked on the dope and now they can't get off of it. Most teens think they'll get high and go back home to their normal lives after taking a hit. Nope, it takes one hit of meth or cocaine to become addicted. The people who make those drugs want them highly addictive so people will get hooked and throw their money and their lives away on it. The trick is to never try it. The words "here try it" is the major sales pitch and that's where most teenagers fall victim is because they "tried" it and now they're addicted. It takes one tiny decision to become a drug head.

 

[Speaks]

I still question the health hazards of vaping; even the non or low-nicotine kind. Inhaling those syrups & flavors & oils makes me wonder.

I think it would have been fine if it was just plain distilled water and a candy tip once they started adding things to it it’s not good.
It doesn’t help you quit smoking btw I tried. ☹️

 

[~ True Legend ~]

You're correct. If people can't get it, they'll steal it or pay someone in China to make a counterfeit version of it and put it on the market.



What most people fail to realize when they ask loaded questions like that is that they're not realizing that the illegal narcotics they refer to such as meth or heroin sell themselves. A lot of Teenagers don't think about the future and how hard the consequences those decisions will bring. They think in doing those drugs that it won't happen to them. They just want to get high at the party for the night only to instead become life long junkies who got hooked on the dope and now they can't get off of it. Most teens think they'll get high and go back home to their normal lives after taking a hit. Nope, it takes one hit of meth or cocaine to become addicted. The people who make those drugs want them highly addictive so people will get hooked and throw their money and their lives away on it. The trick is to never try it. The words "here try it" is the major sales pitch and that's where most teenagers fall victim is because they "tried" it and now they're addicted. It takes one tiny decision to become a drug head.

That’s true, but there’s also a reason why many more teens smoke weed than do hardcore drugs.

Personally? I think if the black market gets flooded with vapes, I think teens are more likely to get into smoking weed. Let’s be honest - it’s not considered to be as harmful as cocaine, for example.

I still question the health hazards of vaping; even the non or low-nicotine kind. Inhaling those syrups & flavors & oils makes me wonder.
But I do definitely think vaping is not as obnoxious or offensive as cigarette smoking; however, banning them in England is not cause me to get me knickers in a knot.

It’s riskier in a way because those sweet flavours make you feel like it’s less harmful and it’s easy to get complacent and just keep having more and more of it.

 

[passenger]

I think it would have been fine if it was just plain distilled water and a candy tip once they started adding things to it it’s not good.
It doesn’t help you quit smoking btw I tried. ☹️

It must be one of those things where every 'addict' to cigarettes has their own personal "trigger" to kick it. I know of a small group of people (adults) who quite scientifically approached vaping in order to quit cigarettes. They did really become like "foodies" with experimenting with the different flavors they liked; but started out with a high dose of nicotine and very gradually worked their nicotine content down. I'd say that did work with maybe 50% of that group. They don't like the taste or smell of cigarettes any more; but absolutely do not want to give up vaping.

You're going to hit on your own personal "trigger" one of these days!

 

[Daltonio]

No, but only because Daltonio needs his drugs!

 

[~ True Legend ~]

Well, Scotland are seriously considering banning disposable vapes now.

Scotland to consider ban on disposable vapes

Concerns have been raised about the environmental impact of the plastic tubes, which are often thrown on the ground after use.

www.bbc.co.uk

I’m not entirely convinced that littering is a good reason for this. Littering continues regardless >_<

 

[Daltonio]

I’m not entirely convinced that littering is a good reason for this. Littering continues regardless >_<

Yeah, 'littering' makes it just sound like an excuse.
If littering was the biggest issue why not ban cigarettes first, certainly people go through more of those more quickly than a vape.

 

[~ True Legend ~]

Yeah, 'littering' makes it just sound like an excuse.
If littering was the biggest issue why not ban cigarettes first, certainly people go through more of those more quickly than a vape.

As cigarettes can be re-used?
But littering is really a thing among all plastics really